Bill Moore

Bill Moore is a CPA, a dog lover, and a three-time cancer survivor. He has survived skin, lung, and prostate cancer. He is a 20-year friend of host Carl Kmiec, Jr.

This is episode 1 of Flipside Frolic. The episode is titled February 3, 2024, and it was published October 14, 2024. It runs about 47 minutes.

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This is the conversation, proofread from the auto captions. Clear errors in names and places were corrected. The conversation itself was not rewritten.

hey there thanks for joining us at Flipside Frolic where we learn to understand each other's perspectives by flipping the script and having some fun here we go we're live we're live let me check uh oh oh there it is yep I'm alive nice bad do dad joke yeah we're here at Flipside Frolic we have uh Bill Moore here um me and Bill I've known bill for uh quite a few years so we're just going to start it off um one of the things I noticed you had going on is your um Movember campaign on Facebook as and as I can see you have quite the Movember stash going there um what got you going into starting uh doing the uh Movember campaign here oh that I started doing it six years ago I guess uh actually I think I did started s years ago when my brother got sick and then I got right after that my brother got diagnosed with you know rectal cancer and then I got diagnosed with prostate cancer and you know I can't remember I heard about it somewhere or something and you know I just the first year I just grew a mustache or whatever I grew I can't remember what I did the first year but I wasn't on Movember or anything but then I heard about Movember and learned about Movember you know cuz a lot of uh people do this you know you see it in the hockey leagues and stuff like that the football you know people do this facial hair and I said I can do that you know for a month and uh I got permission from my boss so you know she's she her and my other two bosses the they they don't particularly like it but they go along with it because it's for a good cause you know because I'm a prostate cancer survivor and uh you know unfortunately my brother didn't survive so I kind of also dedicated towards you know him but it's more for the future Generations because obviously U what's done is done and there you know what's done been done to me is done you know I had mine removed and you know you can't get it back um but hopefully you know in the future you know there's better and better treatments or you know somehow eliminate prostate cancer so yeah that's actually part of a Funny Story I I I knew Bill I've known bill for about 20 years here um we basically have uh had quite a journey together and a lot of uh I could consider a spiritual adviser or whatever cuz we really worked a lot together in in trying to find uh a way to live a happy and useful life um but as he was in the hospital for prostate cancer um I I I don't recommend this at home kids is if you go on the internet and search prostate toy cuz Bill after immediately after he got out of his surgery was he was uh saying oh I already missed my prostate so I ended up saying man I wonder if I could find something that's like a prostate so I I Googled prostate Choy and and make sure the kids aren't around cuz oh my God it was like I went to a bunch of porn sites or something and uh so then I did end up finding a place that had a plushy and Amazon that next day and showed up uh 7 hours later at the hospital with a gift bag that actually had a plushy uh prostate toy in there that he was pretty happy to see it's pretty funny I actually brought it to the doctor's office and asked them if they could put it back in but they got a real kick out it because they had never seen it you know and he doctor's a guy has done God at that time he had already done over 3,000 of these surgeries so you know and have never seen one or heard of it and who is that Dr zagas zagaya Z shout out to Dr zagas for uh saving another here Z zagaya yeah but yeah that's uh obviously a pretty invasive surgery and there was a lot of Rehabilitation and different things along with it and uh but then then that that wasn't even your only about with uh having some issues with cancer was it oh no no I've uh I've been lucky though I've been diagnosed my GP who who was uh Dr uh Tana um she had uh she kind of kind of uncovered all three of my cancers the the first one was the prostate cancer and it was just cuz my PSA had doubled it wasn't that high it was only four but it doubled from the year before which after doing research that's that's actually more concerning sometimes than the number is how much it changed from the year before but um you know and I went through that whole thing you know one of the things you know I learned long ago I had a good friend down in Florida that U he was diagnosed with prostate and bladder cancer years and years ago and uh they um at the hospital they told me had 6 months to live so me myself and I got really involved and my buddy Ted kind of got involved and we I did a lot of research and I got him to go see some other doctors you know and and that guy is still alive today you know and he was given six months to live you know people don't uh a lot of times you know people will go three different mechanics to find out how much they can save on getting their you know break job done but you know they go to the doctor and the doctor say hey we got to do this and they just do it you know and don't go get that second opinion but anyhow that kind of went off on a tangent but you know talking about Dr Tana you know a year or two later uh I think it was a little over a year later she noticed a couple spots on my back and she said hey you should go to a dermatologist to have those checked out and they turned out to be melanomas um I mean there was nothing big about that when they just cut them out it's surprising how big of a cut they make for these little spots but you know and uh that turned out positive for melanoma um so I I'm continuously every six months I go to the dermatologist now and get checked and um you know that's that's you know I had to go every six months to the prostate doctor now it's been so long he's I just go once a year and he basically said you know it's not 100 he said I'm basically cured of prostate cancer he said you might die of cancer but it won't be prostate cancer but anyhow so then so that was 2017 2018 I had the uh melanoma and in 2021 I had got diagnosed with lung cancer so and and all but all three times you know and this one was again was Dr Tiana I went to to see her for my physical and she said you know they went on and on about what great shape I was in and my blood pressure cholesterol everything's perfect right but you used to smoke you know we should maybe do one of these um what do you call it um uh lung cancer screenings and I'm like yeah yeah whatever I literally went home and talked to Jennifer my wife I said you honey they want to do this lung cancer screening it's like come on you know I said uh you know they didn't make any money off of us last year because of Co so they want and anyhow long story short the next day I was working and I get this call and I don't answer because I don't recognize the number and uh but it was a voicemail so I listened to a voicemail it was Sherman Hospital saying hey you know we got this order to have this lung cancer screening and I'm like yeah whatever I hung up and well I mean you know I just shut off the phone from I was about a week later or something I like yeah I probably should go get the test you know and I went to get the test and the next day Dr Tanner calls me and says you know I found a large mass in the upper lobe of your left lung up left upper lobe of your lung and uh you know that was uh the end of April of 2021 and by the end of the may I had already gone and gotten three different opinions and scheduled and had a surgery so and had had that the whole lobe removed you know I did a lot of research again you know and I found that you know the 5year survival rate for lung cancer is 15% and you know I had a mother and a couple friends that died of lung cancer one of my friends he died of lung cancer and he never even smoked you know and uh good friend of Ted and mine Amos and uh you know neither one of these were were were pleasant to watch cuz it it was brutal so got all that going on in your head and you're like but I found that so you know it's fiveyear survival rate for lung cancer is 15% but if they catch it early it can go up to like 45 50% but if they catch it early and you're strong enough and able to have the whole the tumor removed with the whole lobe at the same time time you know your the 5year survival rate goes up to 90 95% I was like yeah so I've been blessed lucky that I mean you know I I told you know Dr Tan I think I owe you something you know dinner something or you know and oh that's my job she said and and she said I'm sorry to tell you too I'm I'm leaving the practice you so now I've had to I go to I have a new doctor in the same office say and I I told them I says you know you got a tough act to follow you know I mean Dr Tanana saved my life three times you know so but yeah so that was a long story off of a short question yeah I mean it it it goes to you know for any of the listeners that that that it's a great opportunity to make sure you do your own homework cuz just like you said there's good mechanics out there there's bad mechanics out there and getting second opinions and and and for some reason we're hesitant to to to talk against that Authority which which doctors always have so we just trust that they know everything and and it's just not true everybody you know and and and if if it's one of those good advice things too cuz if your doctor has a problem with you asking for a second opinion or something then obviously you need a new doctor because he should be open to you know researching all these other things but right and and and um the um what do you call it you know getting a second opinion if you have a doctor it doesn't want you to get a second opinion you don't want to have that doctor anyhow you know I mean and and you know like with the prostate cancer you know I had all kinds of different options too so I had to see lots of different doctors I saw surgeons I saw Radiologists I saw oncologists you know and and you know determined on what I wanted to do what I felt most comfortable with and who I felt you know we're interviewing them they're you know I mean we're paying them that's you know and it they don't call it practicing medicine for anything you know so it's you got to find you know when it came to the lung cancer you know I saw three different doctors all three basically said the same thing one of them though they wanted to do a whole bunch of other stuff that I didn't really feel comfortable with um and uh the other two doctors said that the other stuff was really not necessary and uh you know the other two doctors I actually the interesting thing is I liked both of them um and I literally my decision was made I I called both their offices and said whoever can get me in sooner is the one that's going to get it you I was honest I said I I really like both surgeons but you know it's a toin flip you know cuz a lot of times you know they'll they'll have the same diagnosis and the same decision and it then it's who you feel most comfortable with and another thing that you know you kind of want to do like with my prostate cancer I really liked my local doctor the urologist I was seeing out in Elgin but he didn't really specialize in that surgery and stuff you know and he'd do maybe a couple a month you know whereas Dr Zaya was doing you know six and seven of them a week you know and it's a it's another thing a good friend of mine who's a PA is an assistant that used to work with a uh neologist and used to do the surgery before the da Vinci robot which was a brutal brutal surgery I mean it's still pretty brutal but not near the blood loss and all and he said you know you want somebody that's you know doing these every day not someone that does a couple of months you know so no that's obviously it seems so it worked out good I mean you know but that's part of some of the like we we always talk about spiritual things in the serendipitous and coincidences we we I I personally forgotten or or don't believe that coincidences exist uh because there's been so many in my life over the last 20 years or so and and and what's supposed to happen well and and you try to do your research and do the right thing and and hopefully it works out the the way it's supposed to which we know it will but um yeah it's it's not uh it's not easy it's not fun you know it's it's actually a lot of work um but you're talking when you're getting into those kind of things it's kind of a life and death type of thing you know I mean you know you might want to spend a little extra time on it you I don't know this is my opinion but uh you know everyone has their own path to go on but you know I highly recommend multiple opinions and and do some of your own research you know and when you're doing your own research kind of focus on the the orgs and the edus and not theom so much you know you know there can be good stuff oncs too don't get me wrong but you're more likely to find better stuff you know I I was able to actually the night before my prostate surgery I watched videos of it on off of John hopkins's website they have you know because they put cameras and lights inside of you when they're doing the surgery you know and they turn you upside down so everything falls and you got a big opening and ni my wife thought I was nuts cuz I going oh o well that another thing I you know that I've learned from you over the years is just you know sometimes we just got to learn how to just be grown-ups and and and and you've always been big about as far as from what I've known from other people that I know about going through bills and seeing you know and God who's got time for that sometimes but you know whether it's a dentist bill or and you're like well what's that from and and all this other stuff and it's always you know it's not somebody else's responsibility to kind of be on track just because well it's just paying a $20 copay what do I care I don't it's not coming out of my pocket but you've always been someone that really talked about going through those bills and making sure everything seems kind of legit on it um yeah I mean I've caught over the years I I bet I say thousands where all of a sudden my EOB from the insurance company does not jive with the am I paid the provider I mean and it's every different kind of Provider whether it's the doctor's office or the hospital or whatever you know and maybe they would have came back and said hey we owe you a refund but I don't know about that you know I don't know how you know if they charge you know a th000 people an extra 20 and only 10% of them complain you know I mean they're making some extra cash there I you know maybe it's no conspiracy maybe it's just an honest mistake but you know who knows but if you're not following it you'll never catch it so yeah that's that's always you know the hard thing to try to figure out if if you know even with different government operations or different things where it's like you can't tell if it's nefarious characters or just stupidity and and just incompetence and and some and obviously people make mistakes and stuff and if you're processing 7,000 right things a day obviously sometimes things get missed or whatever the case may be but right yeah but you know it's the funny thing is too is it's it's always happened is when I uh when I catch them and I call oh yeah you're right you're right they always say yeah well but it's still takes them forever to get the money back to you you it's like yeah but when they but if you don't pay the bill it's like within two weeks it's already sent to collections right and then I I'm pretty certain don't quote me on this and and obviously folks were not doctors so you know make sure you talk to your providers and don't take advice from us on Med on major medical procedures but by all means get second opinions and all that um but it it is it is incredible how you you know those those sorts of things just sometimes they get missed sometimes they whatever but but you know I mean it's yeah the you know we do have a pretty decent you know Medical Care here in the United States but you know sometimes we got to kind of do a little bit of work you know I mean I won't get into that yeah no that's true you know and I that's the whole point of you know even starting this podcast is trying to talk to real people about some of these scenarios and different life situations cuz like one thing I you know I was involved in a lot of different things over the years and one of them was the saltwater aquarium industry and and uh breeding fish and all these sorts of things and you'd really run into people from England and Australia different things and I was always the kind of person that was like hey what do you guys think of this you know what do you think of gun control from this couple from from Australia and this was probably 25 years ago and they're like uh we never really thought about it cuz it just wasn't something that affected them because there just wasn't many guns anyway so um some of those different issues it's just funny how people different in different parts of the world it just doesn't necessarily affect them right cuz it's just not part of their their existence but we'll put a link in the description for I I don't know if this podcast will get out um prior to the end of the mo Movember campaign but bills probably about 75% to your goal on Facebook right now it looks like um and it's over $1,000 which is pretty cool so uh there's definitely worst you know that's a good organization to give to and and uh we'll see like I said if not we'll keep an eye on it for next year and obviously when Movember rolls around but the stash is coming in pretty good yeah all my all my proceeds go directly to Prost prostate cancer research so that's that you know Movember does a little more they do testicular cancer they do men's suicide uh so they do a few men's issues but you can kind of tell them where you want yours to go so that's kind of what I've done on mine because I am you know a prostate cancer survivor yeah and this year I'm doing just a regular stash with a little soul patch that's it's a little poet in me right and then last year I did the mutton chops everyone told me I looked like a Civil War General nice I remember that I've done the No Shave shave I did the half well that was for I don't remember what year that was I that was a year I did the No Shave so I didn't shave at all and at the end of the month they sent out a thing and they said it was kind of like a dare are you up for the challenge and it to shave half your face for the last day so November 30th that year I walked around all day with a half shaven face I had a full beard on one side and mustache and the other side was completely shaved yeah I can red a couple hundred extra bucks cuz people obviously are well the people that would talk to me that didn't think I was na yeah yeah yeah I remember I mean that I think that was around that whatever year was all the ice Buck challenges and ice bucket challenges there was a lot of challenges going around on social media and stuff but if uh obviously those of you haven't seen me in a while um I started growing this out actually I I shaved for Movember a few years back and then um the next year I was like hey Bill do I actually have to shave from Movember cuz I was getting kind of uh used to the idea of taking a break from shaving because I do really get a lot of sensitivity in on my neck and stuff and and I don't know how many people really enjoy shaving but I sure didn't so the next year I just kept going with it and then summer they rolled around and the day job sometimes could get hot in in a in a shop atmosphere over 80 or 90° so I was like as soon as it starts getting hot and aggravating I'll just shave it off and then interestingly enough the facial hair maybe even seems to cool my face down if it's holding some sweat or something it's almost like a a swamp cooler from the old days uh so it and and and after it stops getting itchy after a little bit and then you put some beard bomb in and some oil and take care of it and comb it out it it's amazing that it's not aggravating at all and it's been uh it's been a while I don't know if this is the third year now I don't know but I but how long does beards take to grow I don't even know but it's I don't even either it's kind of growing along cuz uh soon you'll look like ZZ Top yeah and then if we have to braid it and dye it purple for cause or something or if we can you know cuz that's the funny thing with labels and and that sort of thing that it's always been uh I try not to you know try to fit in a box and try not to fit in the label and try to look everything Nuance from different perspectives and stuff and that's kind of part of why uh I wanted to start the podcast and the fun part of flips side Frolic is is trying to debate both sides of a position or something so but yeah it's it's been a great thing um and keep going with the Movember and we'll we'll see how that works out but uh other than that uh what else you got going on and so with um staying fit and and exercising and following doctor's instructions um um Bill does do a lot of walking he does a lot of dog walk he walks with his dog and does a lot of different things so those that takes up a lot of his time these days yeah and actually I didn't mention that with the Movember I also um you can do an activity and my activity is walking and then I put down it I was going to donate a dollar for for every mile I walk in MO in November Movember and um uh or $200 but I was just talking to Carl before I'm like well I'm well over 200 miles and it's only the 24th um I about 220 I think or so now so um I'll probably donate that but I I started doing that uh well started tracking it I don't know three or four years ago I bought a Garmin watch I got the Garmin because cuz it has 40,000 golf courses on it too and uh you know cuz I I was like man I walk a lot I bet you I I was telling people I bet I I bet I walk you know you know 20 miles a week or something I'm like I'm not even close to that you know I'm I'm walking you know over the last few years I average about 8 miles a day you know over I think three years it's 8 miles a day a little over 8 miles a day and then we do a lot of that at the uh I take my dog to the dog park where I go up and down Hills they call me Hill bill at the dog park because uh I'm always going up and down the hills I actually now about H probably six months or a year ago I started a quarter of the hills I do I walk up backwards now I was reading someone had suggested I do that I said it's good for some other muscles but I read that and I'd also read that it's it's good for your memory um it sometimes uh physical therapists uh use it with early stage uh dementia in Alzheimer's patients get them walking backwards I don't I don't remember I don't remember why they said it's good for you but yeah definitely I I I've never heard that one uh we can do a little research on that and check it out but I guess it makes sense if it's just uh reversing some factors in just the way the brain works and stuff um but yeah we we've known each other again about 20 years and and we used to golf um Sunday mornings first one out it was kind of nice you didn't even have to ask the wife if uh you're doing anything cuz we'd be home by 10 10:30 in the morning after having 18 holes of golfin and um great game that's for sure um but yeah it's pretty wild yeah so yeah just I I walk quite a bit and I do some other things and me one of the things I one of the reasons why I walk I also do some yoga and some other resistance band stuff I had back surgery when I'm having all these other surgeries I add back surgery too and I don't really want to have another one and my Doctor Who the surgeon he actually recommends that maybe I I hold off as long as I can cuz I'm so active and everything so I told them let's let's hold off until I'm dead you know cuz then I won't really care if you do back surgery but uh so I started doing all this walking and stuff you know because I really don't want to have another back surgery but you know I probably I'm a little I don't know if OCD or ACD or add or whatever they you know one of those acronyms and I you know it's kind of like an obsession now and I I pretty much do it cont continuously I'm just looking up on my phone here so in the last year I averaged 16,99 steps a day last year in the last 12 months I walked 3,143 miles the year before it was 3,137 16598 a day and the year before it wasn't quite as much it was only 2,800 miles so so I've been doing that for quite some time that's I think as long as I've had this phone that tracks it but well that's pretty cool yeah I I personally have a Fitbit and I have also have an app um and my numbers are nowhere near that um but uh I have had a a pretty good history of uh different Fitness regiments and different stuff and I when I first met bill I was in I I I think uh four months before that I actually competed in a natural bodybuilding Uh Kevin one of Kevin Noble's uh competitions out in Rockford and uh didn't win uh but deserve to be on stage competing at like 178 I think I did um so uh was in uh a few pounds lighter than I am right now and and you know that's one of those things too with talking about some of these things and and trying to be you know trying to get ourselves motivated to continue on and and get started again um cuz some of those fitness routines and and it's about I guess it's it's kind of like partially about the some of the spiritual and and and some of the forms of of creating good habits in our lives instead of doing the bad habits so you know if we could cut um the blueberry muffin from from on a daily basis from Dunkin' Donuts or something like that those those daily routines and I I just mentioned it a couple of times even at Thanksgiving CU you know people we just had Thanksgiving yesterday and and uh we're at family and it was a great time and and all the desserts and everything and and that's one thing that I always stuck out at me is it's not really that important what you eat from Thanksgiving to New Year's that matters it's more what you eat from New Years to Thanksgiving that matters and if we could have those good habits throughout the year then obviously uh you know worrying about one month is not going to make or break our our nutritional world but so where else you at it's you're stu there I'm trying to look up um why it's good to walk uphill backwards but it does say I haven't found that yet but here it says what are the benefits of walking backwards building uh improves balance in gate but it says it challenges your brain but I know I've read I just can't remember what I had typed in as um a search nice but they say I mean all over here it says good for your brain and good for your balance which is always good yeah but um yeah so I mean even with any kind of again um so like a lot of times I know Bill said that he walks his dog daily he does these steps he it's about consistency and doing the same thing over and even back when I was training in the in the bodybuilding field it was uh it's so weird how our brain just changes things cuz it's like I know with everything in my in my being that when I was eating six square meals a day and and I would only cook two days a week I would cook on Tuesdays and Sundays and and I would always have my meals with me so when it was time to eat you just eat and and you never really thought about food you never thought about cleanup you didn't have to think about what we stopping tonight or what what's go what what should we order for dinner or all these other things so it's so much easier to just deal with uh cooking for an hour and a half twice a week and and not even thinking about food for the rest of the week and yet it's so much easier even though it kind of seems like a lot of work um and and it really is so much better that's that's if um we're on the six meal a day kind of plan um but lately um over over the past couple of years I I've been playing around with ketogenic and and uh intermittent fasting which seems to be a little easier because I don't even really have to bring a lunch to work cuz my first meal is pretty much after I get home from work so yeah yeah um not have a deal with cooler and and and and uh and food and all these different things um that's interesting yeah i' I've always been lucky I've been blessed with the I have the hard time gaining weight I can lose weight easy when I had the lung surgery I lost like 10 I can't remember it was 10 or 15 pounds but it took over a full year to gain that weight back you know but I'm pretty pretty active in doing this stuff but uh yeah I hopefully uh I don't know I was I was trying to come up uh looking at this uh Google but I can't look at uh research and talk at the same time no it's it's challenged so like even here we can you know here's an article um from the New York Post even that shows for many people walking is one of the easiest in low impact forms but health benefits are walking backwards it can help strengthen your mind and coordination doing something like challenging the body to walk backwards requires actually quite a lot of coordination quite a lot of effort and it's asking the brain to do something it's not as used to doing says MC naras right there's some studies out of Harvard and stuff that I just saw here it says that it um you know really improves your short-term memory so it's probably why they use it with the early stage uh dementia and Alzheimer's patients so yeah I need anything I can get to improve my memory because you I can remember useless tidbits of information from decades ago but it's it's hard to remember what I did an hour ago yeah I I don't know how that works and and I you know maybe there's a just like with nutrition and working out there there's some science showing that there's four body types that are a little different so everybody's not the same and again even with second opinions and medical procedures and all these different things we have to realize that you know everybody's a little bit different and uh there's no cut and case simple uh solution for everybody and and that's the diet feds and all these other things but it seems pretty Ironclad that you know not eating as much sugar is probably a good thing um and and that's pretty much Undisputed I would think um and in my experience it seems to help out a lot um but and exercise no matter what is no matter what I mean you know I mean even if you have disabilities you can there's exercises you can do you know I mean there's no excuses there's no doubt and and and just the the you know from depressional States and from just feeling better and and it's the same kind of thing I I know when I work out I feel better and yet sometimes I could go through these paths and these these months and not do anything and it's feel like it's so hard to get back into it and it's so much easier if we just maintain that constant and uh good habit and do the same things it's hard then it then it feel you almost feel like a fish when you don't right and and you and and you you got to double up or something yeah and you know it's I I'm I get into routines and you know I it seems to help you know I'm I'm lucky that way you know I mean and I do know every once in a while something comes up I you know I don't work out for a few days or don't do yoga yoga for a week or something I tell you I I go to do it and it feels like i' never done it it goes so fast the older you get you know I was just reading too here it said that you know um uh study a study showed that elderly people that walk 6 to9 miles a week have far less memory problems six six that I mean you know that's basically trying to walk a mile a day you know I mean that you know that's pretty easy to do yeah and and and there was some other stuff we look we we I've seen on on other podcasts and different information that we could look up or whatever but the smarter people successful people CEOs all these different things and then you can get into talking about different psychological or different uh circumstantial reasons for success or not non not being successful but it seems that the coincidences of what successful people do seem to be pretty consistent regardless of neighborhoods or race color creed or anything along those lines that that people that stimulate their mind people that overcome challenges and that push themselves um to to get through some things that aren't Pleasant um seems to be a character building thing that that uh that pans out in a lot of other other areas of life right right now I I like to do you know the walking I have a lot of old bones and stuff and you know I get a a lot of uh arthritis type stuff coming on so but you know I also like to walk because I'm out in nature you know breathing fresh air checking things out out you know I go to a forest preserve out in the suburbs obviously but uh and uh you know I can I can think I can meditate I can just you know talk to the dogs you know so far the dogs don't talk back so that's probably a good thing well I don't know my dog talks back so he says uh he knows a couple of words he knows bark what's on the side of a tree bark rough rough what's on the top of a house a roof yeah what's your cousin's name wolf wolf wolf there some St some bad dad jokes yeah for sure um but I guess that's part of over 50 in some ways but hey speak for yourself I'm not over 50 I am that's all that's all I know I'm 18 but you know and and it's it's very common that that even run Runners will often talk that that Zone that you get into is is kind of a meditative State it's kind of interesting cuz the way that we you know whatever our our spiritual beliefs or whether it's yoga or whether it's uh um prayer and and and just trying to start the day with a positive message is what something we've talked about many times that's something we we're very religious about even though we might not be super religious in perspectives but um that's something I do every day and and and but in that to to to kind of clear that mind and and and and just find that vent and so it's kind of interesting stories like from things that I've read and things that I've heard in the past about even like Einstein for instance like there was stories where he would in biographies and he would just get into this trans and then you know the his buddies be like yo iy you you there like like he'd just be and what he called he would like self meditate into a transient state of thought and for somebody without a formal education to that maybe even tapped into this spiritual realm or this ether or whatever we don't understand and we're not capable of understanding but that he was able to maybe tap into information that maybe he didn't necessarily know just from from and a lot of people that you know created forces and and that's where ideas come from and and and where callings come from and all these other things so I think that the the power of the universe does try to help us and sometimes we're just so clogged up with the busyness of life and all these other things that we can't even we can't even hear what we're supposed to do in a sense we just do what we think we're supposed to do but it's pretty wild that finding those spaces where we can kind of just clarify and think and and try to search a little bit on the inside we find uh where you know a little closer to purpose it kind of It kind of reminds me even of uh there was a there's a video in whether it's conspiracy theory or whatever that I can't seem to find this video and I looked and it was a if anybody out there leave a comment or something if they know what video I'm talking about and and I know I have the book of the mentor that this guy was talking about so I could look and and and and find what book and maybe I'll do a little research and and uh next episode I can maybe clue you in on something or leave something in the comments but um it was basically a pretty dry video of pretty it almost looked like like an Amway presentation with this guy in a white shirt and a black tie and he was had a white board and he was on a he was on a uh a stage in like a a lecture hall in a college University but there was only like 15 or 20 people in the audience and uh and he was talking kind of about the Aztec calendar or the Mayan calendar the the circle calendar and he did he did this whole presentation on on some of his interpretation of the breakdown of some of these things and one of the things they were talking about is that there was actually three calendars not just one and most of us know about one but there was other calendars that they used and one of the things that they did was uh I I it was something like you know uh shame me if I'm wrong but it was then just off of memory it was something like a scale of one to five each day that you would self-evaluate where you felt you were um as far as your purpose or or for being on this planet or whatever so if we how close to what you did you feel like you were on plane with doing what's right and what you're meant to do so sometimes we just go to work and we do what we need to do to to feed our families in those situations we might not feel like we're even close to in sync with what our purpose in life is and then other times when we're doing charity work or we're helping with somebody or we're doing some other things we might feel a lot more on plane with what we're supposed to do but that was actually a very important part of their their um self-reflecting and spiritual process in this calendar which was pretty interesting so I'll have to see if I could find that uh video somewhere but it's pretty pretty interesting stuff yeah so um but yeah it's been uh it's been a cool Journey with Bill here Bill's uh Bill's golfing Bill's uh working craziness in the in the media so so it's it's funny that that I you know again I I wasn't ever super big on on super labels but um bill was a great influence in my life in a lot of ways because he was a different perspective like I I could probably have been labeled like pro-union liberal I'm involved in the union I'm involved in uh I live in Chicago I I I I've seen both sides of the Union struggle and in a lot of different ways and I worked in non-contractual management atmosphere of dispatching truck drivers in a Union facility so I was kind of on the management side and them now I'm kind of on the worker side and and there's a lot of different um perspectives on on labor and and greed and all these different sorts of things and and and you've always you were always a more conservative and right shifted person and then now in this day and age it's so much different uh and it and it's seems crazy to even sometimes people might even be you know unwilling to to be afraid of even mentioning that G I think lower taxes might be a good idea or conservative in spending or all these different things but um but it was interesting that that was always one place where we always we had a lot of different discussions over the years of just trying to find some middle ground and cuz I was off hurt one time and I was even contemplating doing uh the middle crats when I was kind of throwing that around like vote out the incumbents and and and and just uh everybody's so much in the middle on so many different issues so um that was another kind of point of starting up the podcast just so just talk about different issues and see where where most people are really in the middle on so many different things but we get skewed on one side or another with all these different labels and isms and different things but um but just being a you know the idea of not spending more than you have is is just so funny that why is that such a crazy thought you know um but yeah it's been a it's been a wild ride yeah it sure has long strange trip it's been but now there's nothing left to do but smile smile smile smile smile smile but so what else you got going on I don't know you know a little of this a little of that just uh I don't know I don't really know nice I put it on pause pause is good sometimes that's for sure I mean the the recording put it on pause oh we could do that that's that's easy enough I going go to the bathroom too all right quick all right we'll do a let's see where we do quick now I feel like we're trying to I think we we kind of had a a good thing going and now we're trying to come up with something no that's cool all right I don't yeah yeah no that's cool and and we'll either be back or we'll catch you at the next episode thanks for joining us at Flipside Frolic we hope you enjoyed the conversation and maybe learn a little something about other people's perspectives 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